Sources Sometimes on a Sunday we would go over to Kelvingrove and (if memory serves me) run around the suits of armour until we were thrown out of the Art Galleries. There existed a hospital in the area, and as quasi-religious foundations were not taxed, it had never been assigned to a sheriffdom. The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. I am Mary Haggarty and it was 95 Golspie street, cannot believe someone remembers, my mum will probably remember your family will ask her tonight. Jack, Margaret, Frank, Gerry, May, Charlie and Kathleen, Annie Maguire's 7 children. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. I grew up in Govan from 1946 to 1957 in Wick St. My family moved from North Uist to Govan to find work as did many others. There is a story By Danny Cahley born In 57 Hamilton Street, Govan it was renamed Nethan Street if I remember correctly. 14276 Southeast 176th Street. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! They were both always on a mission to land a. I was brought up on Broomloan Road, Ibrox across from Ibrox high flats.the Ibrox house pub was just up road from me as well. He had a kilt on and a curly walking stick. Not Now. 11/2. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. Good times we had, wonder where they all are now and if they remember me. Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. Nothing but grateful for my early Govan years. Clydebuilt Database - Shipping Times, Stuart Cameron. Even having a "piece" thrown from the window was an adventure would it be "butter"and sugar or Jam what a treat! Police Scotland. Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. As the rate of urbanisation has increased in the last 30 years, the government capacity to support the disadvantaged within this sphere has in many cases failed. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. My Aunt Marg & Uncle Jack Johnstone had the paper shop on Govan Road. Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug I have many happy memories of Govan. Contact Us. Site Number NS56NE 4994. Post moderation is undertaken full-time 9am-6pm on weekdays, and on a part-time basis outwith those hours. Glasgow Braendam Link, Pearce Institute, 840 Govan Road, Govan, Glasgow, G51 3UU 13 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 92 Community Centre & Play-Park in the Wine Alley, Govan. Here in the alley, you will find tasting rooms such as Truth Teller Winery, Baer Winery, Ancestry Cellars, Adam's Bench and the office of Woodinville Wine Country. I remember the days my sister and I would take part in the fair while we were in a dancing school, which was named Thompsons. Dry Docks Cafe. Nestled among the quaint streets Burnside also appeared to take sadistic pleasure in watching them scrabbling about on the ground looking for their hit. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! This striking omission harks directly back to Darners time in Moorepark where the community had no say at all in their right to a decent home, in a decent environment, and a decent standard of life.13, Private housing is at present being built on the site of the old Granary at Partick while across the river at Govans Graving Docks, the developing company Bishop Loch have been given permission to alter its original approved plan for the Docks of a hotel and 500 houses. The evidence they gathered was crucial and the jury was able to see the gang operating on the video footage shown to them. If there is anyone out there that remembers me please contact me :). Log In. We moved to a new house in Mallaig Road which was built on what used to be Millers Farm where I stayed until I got married. My husband also comes from Govan. Does anyone remember my dad Iain Campbell and mother Margaret Marshall born 1921 and 1922? Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard A great place to live. Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. 100m D.C Hair&Beauty . At the time DS Jackson said: These two cops were the real heroes and were at high risk. sau. "[13], By the early part of the 19th century, Govan was rapidly losing its rural appearance and assuming the character of a town with the development of new industries and factories, including Reid's Dye Works and Pollok's Silk Mill. George and Mary Breslin's, 2 boys (Raymond and Michael), William & Margaret Gallagher's boy and girl (Charles and Maureen) and John & Annie Mc Culloch's 2 girls and 1 boy ( Elizabeth, Mary and John) which was us. We lived in a low-down coal-fire heated home at 9 Lettoch Street and we only ever moved once and that was to the house directly above us. When the railway was to be built in the late nineteenth century, however, the confusion over proper descriptions in the land titles made necessary legal transactions difficult and had to be reconciled. It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. The Burnside gang were found with 150,000 in heroin and a large sum in cash. In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. 15 Saturday Home, 2005, p. 20 16Vindicated1, 2005, p. 1-2, Acknowledgements [26], Govan's other major shipbuilding firm was founded in the 1860s as: Randolph, Elder and Company, later becoming John Elder and Company. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! 'The. In 1136, when Glasgow Cathedral was formally consecrated, King David I (112453) gave to the See the lands of Partick and also of the church at Govan (on opposite sides of the River Clyde), which became a prebend of Glasgow. A friend called Carol Slater. At the time this article was written in the local Southside paper, prices for the projected apartments were going up dramatically among the speculators.14 A few hundred yards east of this development, one-bedroom apartments at the newly built QE3 (Clydeside Festival Park) in Govan were selling for 129,995 while two-bedrooms at the same place will cost you 199,995. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. Within 10 years, Glasgow Corporations repair and maintenance service to the area had declined noticeably because the Corporation was simply not interested. By the early 80s, much of the place had acquired an air of dilapidation and neglect. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. I was born 1944, lived 3 up in 52 Wanlock Street, right across from the little swing park and Fairfields Shipbuilders and right next to the Govan Ferry. 124m Freshair Salon . Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. Email: enquiries@gblink.org.uk , www.gblink.org.uk Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. Therefore, the purpose of this Reflection is to make a contribution to the discussions on community planning and have the thoughts of people who have lived through other It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. My da was George Paterson, mum was Betty Paterson my child hood there was brill everyone was so friendly and you could trust everybody. Good memories. My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? Call now (425) 271-4501; Address. NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. It closed permanently to regular passenger services on 9 May 1921. Anyone know the Maguire family from Logie Street and 147 Langlands Road? He liked nothing better than tothrow empty drugs packets out of his window and watch a crowd of desperateaddicts scrambling for them. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. It is now an industrial estate. As for our childhood and growing up in Govan we would never change a thing, there was everything in Govan any child wanted and we never ever suffered from boredom after school, we were outside playing peever, rounders, climbing dykes, swimming at the pool and rolling our Easter eggs down the hill at Bellahouston Park. Synopsis Their powerlessness in this matter soon became clear when Moorepark was deliberately targeted as a dumping ground for Glasgows homeless, those on low incomes, and people with few housing points who were enabled to jump the waiting list if they accepted a house in the scheme. Around this time a second surveillance was being carried out on Burnside and three members of his team who had travelled to Liverpool in another car. [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. 99m New Cafe India Govan . 102m The Govan Shed . A list of almost 3000 ships built at Govan has been collected in the "Clydebuilt Database". Management of entrance into the block zones was poor while the risk of personal attack inside and outside the flats was high. Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. It has taken Govan many years to heal and the spare grounds and scars are all nearly gone. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. Wine Quality 4/4. My sister and I were born the year before the second world war at Montrose nursing home in Govan. Poor health and low-levels of educational qualifications are offered as secondary parts of the equation. We would have concerts and the money raised would organise a trip to the seaside for the kids of the area. In fact, Glasgow Corporation was so determined to place many of the cities socially deprived into Moorepark that they even advertised for them in the newspapers. Based on this, Govan's Cumbric language name has been reconstructed as *(G)uovan. The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . sau. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. We loved the years living there and in 1949, our little sister was born at 22 Shaw St., That same year we moved to Penilee, but when my sister and I were seventeen, our parents moved back to Govan because the house in Penilee was very damp, so our parents got an exchange to a house on Govan Rd., the cooperative building next to Fairfield's shipyard. From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. If either cop was caught then they were on a hiding to nothing. Thus, the major failing of any community planning is its inability to understand this relationship between the community and authority in detail and in an objective manner. Most of it has now been demolished to make way for an industrial estate. The spin put on the regeneration programmes of the past have put too much emphasis on bricks and mortar rather than helping people deal with their own problems themselves. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. RM 2E6CW9C - Workers line the street and applaud the hearse carrying former trade union official Jimmy Reid as it is driven past the Govan shipyard in Glasgow, Scotland August 19, 2010. My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. Went back recently, but things are not the same. We had 4 Cinemas that we could go to and the swimming baths and all the dykes round the back to jump and all the different games we played outdoors until the street lights went on and Dad shouted out the window it was time to come up the stairs. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. Does anyone remember Cuthbertson's dairies milk depot Vicarfield street Govan. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. Dry Docks Cafe. Much later, after years of drink and drugs abuse, I thought about all the time I had wasted and I realised that if I was going to seriously change my life than I had to reeducate myself into a new way of thinking It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. Many members of the family were married at St Anthonys Chapel. I can see from the various pieces of information I have obtained that the Leddy's lived in various places in Govan including 61 Victoria Street, 10 John Street, 76 White Street and 11 Logie Street. First of all, they invited local and international designers to attend a three day team design effort to come up with imaginative projects that would redress the problems they had in their 3-storey, concrete block houses.7, The group then lobbied the City Council, the Scottish Office and finally Westminster, until they were eventually given the go-ahead to revamp one of the old blocks of 6 houses into model they desired. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. However, the dealers were less careful back in Wine Alley where they thought they were untouchable. When Damer returned to the area in 1989 he found that his earlier report had had two outcomes. Second, it encourage prospects for social inclusion by impioving living conditions and life changes while a third (indirect) factor is that, by working with authority, it can augment the personal development and enhanced confidence that participation can bring.9 3 When all my pals joined the Lifeboys I went along too for 2 weeks, I think the hall was on Portman or Middlesex Street. 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. 109m Bells Bar . Was never out your streets up the fighting lol Peg & the Fleet pussies,Possil Border kicked your assesmany times. It was fantastic staying there, 3 family's stayed in each cottage. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie Street until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Forgotten account? Community planning began in the rapidly industrialising 19th century cities of Great Britain and America where reformers and well-wishers wanted to ameliorate the appalling living conditions of the working classes. Smith did know Glasgow well, but Edinburgh (where he later worked as Secretary to the University) was gloriously exotic. [24], Despite these developments, there were numerous older buildings around Govan until quite recently, most notably the terraces and tenements situated around Govan Road. We are the Eskimoes. During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. 3 Smith, 1999, p. 40-41 In this way they dispelled the idea of the workers being "work-shy" and also wanted to illustrate the long-term viability of the yards. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! Komunitn organizcia. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. Govan railway station opened on 2 December 1868. They expect 20 calls a week from officers needing help. . While debating the (Greenwood) Housing Bill of 1930, the MP John Wheatley insisted that Britain would never get rid of its slum problem as long as it continued to set aside for a particular section of the community an inferior quality of housing The above extract comes from the enquiry that the sociologist Sean Damer wrote on the history of what was regarded as the most notorious slum-housing scheme in the Glasgow of the 1970s, Moorepark, or as it came to be known by Govanites and Glaswegians the Wine Alley of Govan. Govan was then one of 15 police divisions in the former Strathclyde Police and accounted for 20% of all homicides in the force. Jackson retired in 1992 after a distinguished 32-year career with Burnside and his cohorts still behind bars. Local people were also too scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. And increase their/your revenues. Sad to see Govan now but many happy memories. From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. Log In. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. My father was called up at the beginning of the War and my mother died when he was in Europe, I went to live with my grandparents on Wee Logie Street, I was 2years old and spent the rest of my childhood there until 1956 when I came to Canada with my grandmother to live with my uncle (my mum's young brother). Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? : Gwovan[3]? Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. [29], Kvrner of Norway, as part of a planned development of a large international shipbuilding group, took over Govan. James and Catherine moved to Govan from Ireland and lived on Victoria (Neptune) Street and Langlands Road. A Gannett Company. Alley & Vine will be ready for outdoor and indoor dining once allowed, but until then, customers can order online or by phone for takeout and curbside pickup. Former. Bishop Leslie in his Scotia Descriptio of 1578 says it got its name from the excellence of its ale (God-win), whereas Chalmers in his Caledonia says it is derived from Scottish Gaelic, Gamhan (a ditch). I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. For other uses, see. Govan is served by Govan Subway Station, Ibrox Subway Station and Cessnock Subway Station on the Glasgow subway system. It was just before I packed in this job that I met Sean Damer when he came to our house to some of the family in 1974. Skater Girl. [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. The Old Govan Fair. This article is about the district in Glasgow. Used go there for coffee and listen to juke box. Great times. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. Without a home, mankind has no place. The newlyweds got engaged in April 2018 after dating for three years and were forced to delay their wedding last April due to the coronavirus pandemic. People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! It was later in 1974 that she began her Stairhead Seminars in the so-called "Wine Alley" area of Govan which led, in 1976, to the Govan Project. I agreed and the result is the Report, which you now have today which is meant for the October 17th World Poverty Day. The man caught in the earlier operation with 50,000 of drugs in Helen Street was given six years. and education and learning came into my thoughts. I considered that I did a real job and that what he did for a living was nonsense. This was around 1954ish. I was born in the Southern General Hospital in 1958 and lived at 23 McGregor Street, Chookiehill [Teucharhill] as it was fondly called then. Comments have been closed on this article. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. The barbers shop was called "Knop & Joyce" and was at 26 Langlands Road, it opened in 1929 and Harry Knop lived in the next close at 34 Langlands Road. I also went to the Glasgow City Mission which was in Kintra Street, how I loved my childhood. [31] GEC's Marconi Marine division already owned YSL (purchased in 1985) and VSEL (purchased in 1995). Glorious Govan. Show More . I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. I think the whisky bond was one of them. I was shown the door and advised to join the cubs, which I did, but I would have enjoyed being the 1st Lifebhoy. Reading the posts recognised a few names. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! Nobody like them in the World. I remember living in a single end tenement (1950's) at 77 Nethan Street and the excitement on a Saturday morning when the man delivered the coal in our bunker which was right next to our bed. Get directions. Helen Dunlop and I have kept in touch all these years, she is only one month younger than me and lived across the street, therefore we have known each other all of our lives. It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! 6 Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's I don't know the name though and wondered if anyone could remember it. Jocelyn Square. Vytvori nov et. Media/news company. or. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council \"modernised\" it and tried to reintroduce the original name Moorepark but after 40 years of being the Wine Alley most people forgot about or even knew that the Wine Ally was originally called Moorepark and did not approve of the name Moorepark and continued to call it Wine Alley. There was no point in carrying out any raids because the dealers could quickly escape and dispose of their drugs. Prihlsi sa. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. I used to visit your Mum and Dad. Contact. I went to Harmony Row school then Hills Trust school, then to Govan High school. 5 Smith, 1992, p. 4 Another trick was to get a queue lined up outside his house but to serve only half of them and tell the others to come back later. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion